Same-sex marriage SC hearing Day 4 highlights: ‘Not all natal families show love, respect…’ - Petitioners
Same-sex marriage Supreme Court hearing highlights: The top court heard arguments on day 4 on pleas seeking marriage equality.

Same-sex marriage SC hearing highlights: The Supreme Court on Tuesday entered into day 4 of its hearing on a bunch of at least 15 petitions regarding the demand for marriage equality in India. On Thursday, day 3 of the hearings, Chief Justice of India DY Chandrachud had said that the arguments from the petitioners' side will be closed on the next hearing in any case and asked the lawyers to discuss among themselves on dividing the time....Read More
Speaking on adoption of children during the hearing CJI had said, “What happens when there is a heterosexual couple when there is domestic violence..what kind of impact on children.. so much for being heterosexual.. what about father coming back home drunk thrashing up the mother and asking money for alcohol? there is nothing absolute... at the cost of being trolled.. answers to what we say in court is in trolls and not in court,” said CJI.
Guest Column| Same-sex marriages: Need to focus on bigger picture
The Supreme Court of India is hearing a bunch of petitions seeking legal recognition of same-sex marriage. The right to equality is being invoked, to seek legal recognition of same-sex marriage.
Advocate Grover: 'Love, respect does not always come from natal family'
Advocate Grover: "Love, respect does not always come from natal families and LGBT+ persons deserve to be loved. Family is also needed outside the need for procreation for one's well being."
Advocate Grover says LGBT+ persons need 'families’ who understand them
Advocate Grover: “A petitoner I am representing lives with a family which does not understand or respect her sexual orientation. She is also suffering from an illness. She needs persons who will take decisions that are in her best interest.”
Advocate Grover: 'Marriage shield against natal family violence'
Advocate Grover defends marriage equality saying that for the people who experience violence from their natal families, marriage would provide the necessary legal shield.
Petitioners highlight issue of natal family violence
Advocate Vrinda Grover: “There seems to be an assumption that families would necessarily be supported. But the primary source of violence is the natal family in these situations."
‘Marriage inequality does economic damage to GDP’: Advocate Kirpal
Advocate Kirpal cited a study to argue that 1.7% of GDP affected by failing to recognise LGBT+ relations.
Advocate: ‘Since marriage is sacrosant in Hindu Law, then…’
Advocate Kirpal pointed out that since marriage is sacrosant in Hindu Law, then by that logic divorce should be disallowed to preserve "this institution of marriage”.
Advocate Kirpal: 'Rights once established, cannot be negated by legislative drafts'
Advocate Kirpal, on recognition of rights, argued that once a right is established, it cannot be negated by legislative drafts. "Effectively saying, you have the right to marry but it is not workable."
Advocate Kirpal: ‘What lawmakers in 1954 thought is….’
Advocate Kirpal: "We are not indulging in interpretive exercise to understand what lawmakers in 1954 thought….We don't have doctrine of original intent in our constitution. We have to ensure it's a living document."
Adv Kirpal: ‘SMA violates rights of LGBT+ persons under article 14'
Advocate Kirpal contended in the court on Tuesday that SMA is discriminatory on the basis of sexual orientation. “Normally, an Act like this would be unconstitutional since it would be hit by Article14. But my lords would not do that,” he said.
Advocate Guruswamy concludes her arguments
Senior advocate Guruswamy concluded her arguments. Now, advocate Saurabh Kirpal has commenced his submissions.
‘Parliament won’t enact anything so…'- Bench on SMA interpretation
The CJI led Bench on SMA interpretation remarked, “…we don't believe Parliament is going to enact anything….there may be unheard voices who may want to preserve their way of life (religious aspect).” The bench is discussing issues with confining the case to only SMA interpretation since other aspects of marriage are governed by the personal laws.
Bench remarks issues with wanting to confine case to interpretation of SMA
CJI Chandrachud remarked orally in the court that the argument of confining to Special Marriage Act cannot erase the fact that several follow up matters of marriage are governed by personal laws and that they will therefore be involved. “But Section 21(A) of SMA, indicates that all other parts of marriage are governed by personal law,” he said.
Bench remarks SMA interpretation could lead to changes in personal laws
Justice Bhat remarks in court, “….If we read into the SMA, there will have to be changes in other personal laws as well. There is no shying away from this.”
'Should court keep revisiting…': Bench remarks on question of re-enacting other laws
Justice Bhat remarks during the hearing, “How many times are we to play follow up? Where does it stop? Is this our job? Ultimately that's the question we come back to."
'Parliament cannot be reason to exclude us…': Advocate Guruswamy
The petitioners seeking marriage equality on the fourth day of hearing at the Supreme Court argued that the basic structure also belongs to everyone. “We are also part of its soul. The parliament cannot be the reason to exclude us from this guarantee under the constitution,” advocate Guruswamy told the CJI led bench.
‘Only asking for workable interpretation of SMA’: Guruswamy
Guruswamy argues that petitioners are merely requesting the court for a workable interpretation of the Special Marriage Act.
'Parliament has power to interfere with petitions, but…'- CJI
CJI DY Chandrachud in response to advocate Guruswamy's arguments, remarked orally that it cannot be disputed that the Parliament has powers to interfere with petitions but the question really is which are the interstices left in which this court can interfere.
Guruswamy argues Parliament does not enjoy unfettered powers
Senior advocate Menaka Guruswamy argues on behalf on petitioners that the Indian Parliament is a creature of the constitution and does not enjoy unfettered powers. Her remarks came as the petitioners make a case for seeking marriage equality as under article 32 of the constitution.
‘Not a matter of Parliament…’: Petitioners resume argument post lunch on Day 4
The petitioners resumed arguments on Day 4 after lunch, stating that this is not a matter of the Parliament. "When our rights are being violated, we have the right to come to this court under Article 32.
Hearing resumes, Senior Advocate Menaka Guruswamy presents argument
Senior Advocate Menaka Guruswamy begins arguments for non-heterosexual unions.
Guruswamy says, “In India the parliamentary system is constrained unlike in England. Constrained by the constitution interpreted by the Judiciary. The second point I'd like to raise is of judicial review which part of the basic structure doctrine.”
Second session to begin at 2
Second session of Day 4 of non-heterosexual unions hearing will be heard after 2 pm.
Kothari provides a propoes gender neutral reading of Special Marriage Act
Kothari provides with a proposed gender neutral reading of the Special Marriage Act.
“The special marriage act, and the manner in which it is construed presently, by focusing only on men and women denies transgender persons the right to marry and have a family solely on basis of their gender identity. That amounts to a 15(1) discrimination on basis of sex.”
"Transgender families not being recognised": Petitioners argue
Kothari, arguing for her petitioner Dr Akkai Padmashali, said, she was “born male. She faced so much violence at her parental home that she had no other option but to leave her home at 14/15 years of age. She was on the streets, begging. That is what so many Transgender persons have to do. They have no other option.”
“So what does the right to family mean? The right to marry has been upheld in a whole variety of judgements- Shaktivahini etc. The right to marry gives rise to a family which also has to be recognised as a fundamental right.”
Kothari further says, “What does a family do? It goes to the core of our being. Our families give us not only love and care but also psychological and economical support. Can we not have the right to have our families recognised?”
She adds, “Transpersons are already having families - they're in relationships, adopting children but these families are not being recognised.”
Kothari argues Right to marry comes under Article 21
Kothari said on Tuesday, as per Bar and Bench, “Right to family is recognised under Article 21 and thus right to marry also has to be granted to same sex couples... special marriage act can be read to mean husband and wife as spouse and man and woman as persons..”
'Right to family comes under right to life": Petitioners argue
Kothari argues, “This court held that it is not only two genders - not only male or female but male, female, or transgenders who could identify as any even without medical reassignment. The purpose of granting this right to self determine one's gender identity is to get legal recognition to a whole bunch of other rights including the right to marry"
“In practice, despite the recognition of one's gender identity, transgender persons are unable to exercise their full legal rights for many reasons. One, despite NALSA, they still have to get medical reassignment to get documents changed.”
“There are intersex persons as well. My second point is that the right to family has to be recognised under right to life under A 21.”
Grover responds to Centre's 'Urban Elitist remark
Responding to Center's “Urban Elitist Views” remark, Grover said, “Finally about elitism- Large number of people run away from home. The origins of those people are from small towns. They come to the capital city where HC is and they need protection. They're not elitist. This notion that it is elitist is incorrect."
Grover concludes his remarks. Senior Advocate Jayna Kothari begins arguing on the second petition by a transgender person.
“Our claim is for marriage equality for all, not just for same sex couples.”
“If I transition into a woman after marriage…”: Anand Grover argues for petitioners
Arguing for the petitioners, Anand Grover said, “If I'm a male person, cis male, I marry a woman, cis woman. During the marriage I transition and become a woman. The law doesn't say that the marriage falls. Certain states including Kerala are encouraging people who are married, they're being financed.”
To which, Justice Ravindra Bhat said, “In such cases other things are taken into consideration. There may be kids. If this is not preserved, that will lead to untoward, adverse effect on the members of that family. Then you're looking into a legislature that doesn't take into account realities.”
Grover speaks about Parliament handling the non-heterosexual unions issue
Anand Grover, told the court as per Live Law, “There has been arguments on other side that it is for parliament to legislate on this. Let us see on record - Pink list India has been observing what has been happening to LGBT rights in parliament. There has been no positive response in 5 years.”
“Same sex relations prevalent before British… scriptures record”
Arguing for the petitioners, Anand Grover sayd, “Same sex relations were prevalent before the British and even scriptures record it.”
Grover argues the petitions for non-heterosexual unions, discusses US law
Grover says, “I will invoke the argument on intimate association of US based on the 14th, 19th, and 1st Amendment.”
He further discusses the United States law saying, “The idea is that you can form associations- cooperative societies to trade unions, which are larger groups and intimate unions of a romantic or marital nature- and that is a fundamental right in the US coupled with free speech.”
Senior Advocate Anand Grover begins arguments for non-heterosexual unions
Senior Advocate Geeta Luthra concluded her arguments by saying, "Marriage is a magic word and it is magic throughout the world. It has to do with our dignity as human beings, to be who we are openly."
Senior Advocate Anand Grover will now begin arguments on petitions by a couple who were based abroad and an interfaith couple.
The court discusses same-sex marriage laws in countries across the world
Luthra takes the court through how same-sex marriages were allowed in several countries across the globe. CJI Chandrachud says, “You can see what happened the word same sex in the registered partnership act and the heterosexual couple word was struck down as being violative of equality... so all were allowed.”
"12 out of G20 countries permit same-sex marriages… we cannot be behind"
Senior Advocate Geeta Luthra argues in favour of petitioners in court saying, “12 out of the G20 countries including the EU have permitted same sex marriages. About 34 countries of the world have done that. Virtually, every democratic, progressive country of the world has recognised same sex marriages. We cannot be behind.”
Minority cannot decide their own rights: Geeta Luthra
Speaking for the petitioners, Geeta Luthra said, “Marriage is not a static concept. The moment we recognised that those of the LGBT+ community have right, they may be a minority but the majority cannot decide the rights of a minority.”
"Descrimination against same-sex couples same as women were discriminated against for voting rights"
Geeta Luthra further says, as reported by Live Law, “It is discrimination on grounds of sex- same way that in many parts of the world women were not given right to vote on basis of their sex. There is no distinction.”
Senior Advocate Geeta Luthra speaks for the petitioners
Senior Advocate Geeta Luthra begins arguments and speaks for the petitioners. She says as per Live Law, “They say how does it matter you can be in live in relationships. Live in relationships do not answer my status. My status as a person who is married has to be recognised if i have to get true equality.”
Day 4 of hearing begins, petitioners to continue arguments
Day 4 of the same-sex marriage hearing has begun on Tuesday with petitioners continuing their arguments.