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How PM Modi’s hard talk on Pak at Trump meet swung Kashmir issue India’s way

The people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, added that Modi used the opportunity to demolish Khan’s unsubstantiated allegations and narrated his personal efforts to forge normal ties with Pakistan and how Islamabad responded to these with terror attacks on India.

Updated on: Jul 4, 2020, 18:32:27 IST
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Prime Minister Narendra Modi walked US President Donald Trump through the history of Pakistan’s involvement in terrorism in Jammu& Kashmir after the latter asked him why Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan kept talking about genocide in the Kashmir Valley leading to a nuclear conflagration, people familiar with details of the 40-minute long bilateral meeting between the two leaders said.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi and US President Donald Trump at NRG Stadium in Houston on Sunday. (ANI photo)
Prime Minister Narendra Modi and US President Donald Trump at NRG Stadium in Houston on Sunday. (ANI photo)

The people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, added that Modi used the opportunity to demolish Khan’s unsubstantiated allegations and narrated his personal efforts to forge normal ties with Pakistan and how Islamabad responded to these with terror attacks on India. Specifically, the people said, Modi told Trump about his unscheduled December 25, 2015 visit to Lahore, which was undertaken despite severe risks, and how the outcome of the entire exercise was not peace but an attack on the Indian Air Force’s Pathankot air base within a week.

The Indian leader also told the US president about the insincerity on the part of Pakistan in apprehending the terrorists behind the Pathankot attack despite all proof being handed over to Islamabad. PM Modi established that India wants normal ties with Pakistan. but only after Islamabad gives up on using terrorism as a tool of its state policy, the people added.

“President Trump wanted to know why Khan kept talking about Modi, RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the ideological parent of Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party), genocide, massacre, and an all-out India-Pak confrontation leading to the nuclear dimension. PM Modi told him all about Pakistan’s direct support to terrorism in Kashmir….the nuclear blackmail has become a standard talking point of Imran Khan at the UNGA {United Nations General Assembly},” said a senior official.

The other topic covered in the bilateral conversation was a trade deal between India and the US. While the two sides have taken tough positions, both the leaders were optimistic in closing the deal soon, the people said. “There are two aspects to the trade deal. While one part is related to a basket of some 12 items on which duty/ tariff issues are being negotiated, the other is a larger trade deal {which encompasses all trade issues}. Let me say that the first one is just weeks away while the second one will be closed within months,” said a second senior official.

According to the people, both PM Modi and President Trump reviewed the progress of the trade talks in the run-up to the historic Houston event and it was only then that the US leader expressed optimism about the trade deal being concluded shortly. US trade representative Robert Lighthizer and Indian commerce minister Piyush Goyal are in touch with each other in a bid to conclude the first part of the deal.

While Modi will spend Wednesday interacting with top US CEOs, Khan will try and sell his version of the Kashmir story to the US media. External affairs minister S. Jaishankar is scheduled to participate in the QUAD meeting with Japanese, US and Australian foreign ministers as well as attend the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) foreign ministers meeting on September 26. Trump has extended his stay in New York till Thursday.

 
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Shishir Gupta

Shishir Gupta is Executive Editor at Hindustan Times and one of India's top journalists covering national security, strategic affairs, foreign policy and geopolitics. Over the past three decades, he has extensively reported on India's military, diplomatic and security landscape, covering every major conflict and national security challenge, from the 1999 Kargil War and the 2020 East Ladakh standoff to Operation Sindoor in 2025. He has also covered major terror attacks, including the IC-814 hijacking, the 26/11 Mumbai attacks and the 2025 Pahalgam terror strike, along with numerous Pakistan-backed terrorist incidents in the Kashmir Valley and across India. He has reported on national and state elections for more than three decades. A recognised authority on strategic affairs, Gupta has covered India's nuclear programme since the Pokhran-II (Shakti series) tests in May 1998 and has written extensively on global nuclear issues, Indian diplomacy and the country's expanding global outreach. He has also reported widely on international conflicts and terrorism, with a special focus on the Indian subcontinent. Gupta has interviewed Prime Minister Narendra Modi more than four times, including Modi's first interview with the print media after becoming Prime Minister in May 2014. His other interviews include three with the Dalai Lama, as well as conversations with Benjamin Netanyahu, Amit Shah, Yogi Adityanath, S. Jaishankar, Nirmala Sitharaman and Piyush Goyal. He is the author of Indian Mujahideen: The Enemy Within (Hachette, 2011) and Himalayan Face-off: Chinese Assertion and Indian Riposte (Hachette, 2014). He was awarded the Chevening-Wolfson Joint Scholarship at Wolfson College, University of Cambridge, UK, in 1998 and participated in the International Visitor Leadership Program (IVLP) of the US State Department in 2006. He received the Ben Gurion Prize from Israel in 2011 and the K. Subrahmanyam Prize for Strategic Studies in 2015 from the Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (MP-IDSA). Since 2024, he has hosted Point Blank, Hindustan Times' weekly YouTube show on global geopolitics.

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